Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby GreenGrape » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:32 pm

I having my pt 66 exam under AST. The pt 66 work schedule to obtain basic licence. Collect from M'sia then send to AST UK. As I know currently, only MAS are approved pt145 organization. Transmile are follow the pt145 requirement.

So U mean as long we cover all the ATA chap. then should be no problem for approval?
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby ninermike » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:37 pm

Dear Sepeng,

The TRUTH will at last prevails.....don't get OVER-EXCITED with this EASA thing, especially when you are investing not only your money but your future career....don't take SHORT CUTS that is Rule No 1.

Rule No 2 :

Our National Aviation Authority...DCA, Malaysia under Airworthiness Section is located ONLY at Putrajaya, Malaysia..no need to go far lah....to get your LWTR (Basic Engineering Licence), your investment is less than RM300.

It is so funny la....you guys, you spend so much in UK but at the end still have to go for DCA, Malaysia Air Legislation / conversion....why can't you just do it every thing here in Malaysia?

No need lah to go to Kingston University / Glamorgan University / Barry's College / City of Bristol / AST or whatever Part 147 school out there. They (this UK brats) are making tonnes of money......our 'SMART' young Malaysian kids spending RM1/4 million just for the tuition fees, b***dy h*ll...imagine that money can be use for DCA to take in more surveyor for their Airworthiness Section.

Rule No : 3

Sepeng, correct me if I am wrong, u hv passed EASA Part 66 Modules from Kingston University, right? Have you got ur Part 66 licence from CAA,UK? Hv you got the so called 2 years work schedule under Part 145 in UK/Malaysia?

And can you GUARANTEE that CAA,UK will issue you Part 66 licence after you have submitted the work schedule? And by the way, in which country you plan to start your career? UK?Malaysia?Singapura?UAE?

EASA was created by EU countries for MRO companies to make more money by having less chiefs with many red indians....hang faham tak? FAA, USA sudah lama buat ini kerja la....what's new? heh heh...
It is for you to figure out la bro.....

Rule No : 4 Enuff said...heh heh..

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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby sepeng » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:05 am

Ya... you are rite on your perspective.
Why spend more if you were planing to spend your whole life in malaysia.

But in my view, what you spend is equal to what you get. Of course must be on something valuable. If everything like you said, our training centers would not border to implement EASA or FAA or what soever into their courses.

First, how many MRO in malaysia comparing to our neighbors? We are talking on world perspective, we're looking at the globe. And our LWTR license is no longer a passport for others. So, would you spend thousands in our local training centers, and at the end, you could only work locally? The chances for the local job is hopeless.....
Do our DCA's LWTR still acceptable in other countries? How long will the LWTR system remain in Malaysia be4 the whole world discard it? That is why the need to prepare our next generation to adapt the world, not only for our own country! When you mention about saving the money for our government, that really getting on my nerves! I would throw all the money into sea and give them my c***. Since you are a patriot, i wouldnt comment too much about this.

I came back around March, and so far the market is not very good. Not much job opening around this region especially our country. But for me, im currently seeking job opportunities everywhere which EASA cert acceptable, like Singapore, Thailand, Macau, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Middle East, and of course back to UK. If im holding a LWTR rather than EASA, then the whole story gonna be different, rite? See what i mean?
If you collected your 2 years work schedule which has covered all ATA chapters and according to their requirements, do you think you need to pay Duit Kopi for the EASA license? There is no doubt on this.

Of course we are aiming to be the the red Indians' chief, who would want to screw the panel for this whole life? haha... and how to archive that, different ppl has different way.
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby torx » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:31 am

ninermike,
Blunt but well said, I like it :D

I am BCAR Section L trained. CAA and DCA licensed.
The way I look at it, the EASA-66 license is the EU answer to FAA's licensed mechanic. Period.
There's always two sides of a coin. There are reasons why EU came out with the system, the same reason with the FAA's. This is a matter of survival in the stiff competition between the US(Boeing) and the EU.

Sepeng, DCA's LWTR is still acceptable under ICAO Type II license category and as such the holder should have no difficulty in getting emplyment elsewhere. The world is merely recognising the EASA-66 standards as opposed to FAA's license for obvious reasons..

With EASA's you start off as a licensed tecnician and working your way up to become a licensed engineer (Cat C).

My two sen. ;)
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby GreenGrape » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:40 am

torx,
at here I need to correct u. Cat C is not a license engineer. Cat C is the person who has the authority to release the whole aircraft when the aircraft in the base/hanger. Cat B is license technician aka engineer.

I agree what 'sepeng' mention about the 'We are talking on world perspective, we're looking at the globe.' Now some of Asia country had follow EASA system. For Malaysia, I think at this time, it is suitable time to follow the rest of the country like Singapore, hong kong, who follow the EASA system. Although Malaysia still using BCAR system, but in the future we can't guarantee it.

If we still in BCAR, we are far behind to others who are follow it. By that time we want to follow, I feel is will be late. We are unable to catch up. So if we want to change from BCAR to EASA, the current generation are the one should start to change it. If no one want to take the 1st step to change, then who willing to take the 11st step to change?

U can see what Nilai University College (NUC) have done. They are the one 1st college offering EASA. And now miat, tafe & other college also following. Although NUC are jz start this new course but I feel very proud to be one the the student of NUC. Why I say so? It is bcz we are willing to take the 1st step. So I hope those ppl understand the situation about why some malaysian student taking EASA.
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby torx » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:49 am

GreenGrape,
Thanks for the 'correction' however, that is how I view the EASA licensing system.. :D

As much as we're seem to be 'underpressure' for the EASA adoption (the better term than conversion), there's no stopping anyone who wants to take EASA license..our DCA recognize it and conversion to DCA's AMEL is no big deal.
BCAR Section L works extremely well.. and from my experience working with a local group of recently licensed 'EASA engineer' they're lacking 'depth' and 'competency'..obviously time and exposure will improve the situation, hopefully!
I am not trying to belittle any EASA licensed personnel but this what I have seen in my environment.
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby sepeng » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:57 am

BCAR system train up a person from experience. First you collect your 4 years experiences, then you study abit and take the exam. Efficiency wise, is slow yield but result is controversial. You might got someone really good, and someone really bad in knowledge wise. They just follow and did what the book said.
For EASA system, you need to go through the academic route first, then 2 or 3 years of experiences. In this way, more personnel can be train up to solve the shortage. As you said, as freshee lack of real experience but of course they have certain degree of back ground knowledge. Which i personally think is very crucial because you need to know what you are doing. But whether they can put what they learn into practice or not, is another story. Same thing, you might get someone really bad... maybe bad in handskills and knowledge too.
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby popeye » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:31 am

do anyone know " how to convert from foreign B1.1 licensed to DCA licensed"
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby GreenGrape » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:13 pm

popeye,

Did u complete yr air legs? If complete, I advice u re-study again. Bcz air legs got state how to convert foreign license into DCA licensed..
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Re: Staff Licensing [DCA & EASA]

Postby torx » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:56 pm

I think (almost) everyone does! :p
You have to take and passed the Paper 1- Air Legislation and Human Performance.
Having passed that, the DCA will issue the AMEL (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer's License) based on your B1.1 EASA's License.
Comprende?

popeye wrote:do anyone know " how to convert from foreign B1.1 licensed to DCA licensed"
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