Fly Lah!

Please, the DCA has NO JURISDICTION to prevent anyone, any institution, including KYM from conducting a 'Part 66' course! How can they?
There is an advantage for being an Approved Training Organization. Read and understand the requirements and process of AN1101 and AN1201.
MAS has been conducting the apprenticeship programme for years without being approved(the training programme, that is) but they are AN APPROVED organization as an AOC and MRO! Again, there are advantages being an approved organization!
KYM, in it's rush to set up a school was lead by, from my understanding,(not to belittle the profession)a pilot. Setting up a flying school is not the same as an engineering school which is beyond the skill, experience and knowledge of this pilot, but nonetheless he tried his best to carry the job and directive given to him and he has somewhat successfully completed the task. Sadly he did not do his ground work properly, misinterpret the law and requirements and instead of asking DCA for guidance, he 'told' them what he wants to do including KYM issuing the license instead of DCA! This is what I was made to understand..

Getting a school approved is a continuos process and it all starts by informing the DCA's surveyor in charge the intention to setup one and keep DCA posted with the process and progress... programmes can be launched, instructors recruited along with the students and build up and satisfy the requirements with the DCA well advised and consulted along the way. This is not a difficult process, the problems lie with the person who thought he knew 'cables' that would made this possible.. or having the backup of a state government etc..

The critical part of getting the ATO approved starts with writing and submitting for approval the MTOE (Maintenance Training Organization Exposition) which frankly no one other than a license engineer knows how to write... even that, not ALL license engineers are capable(understanding the law and requirements, yet alone writing one!)

This is a personal view.
There is still hope yet for KYM. It started on a wrong foot. The diploma programme and getting the MQA approval is no issue. For the LME programme, get someone who KNOWS the licensing system. At this point of time that person is already there. He has a mammoth task ahead to repair the damage done by the previous management and steer back KYM in the right path. Honestly he can't do this alone. Assembling a proper team right now is quite impossible as it is quite difficult to get the right expertise right now and IF there is, it's going to cause a BOMB!
The next best thing is to get the current approved players (the ATOs) to assists and this is what DCA will advise. Since there is no such thing as FREE LUNCH, this entity(the ATO who is willing to help) will have to act initially as a consultant to advise the necessary corrective steps and actions that need to be done to steer in the right direction. Once this is done , do a collaborative/JV with this approved entity to operate temporarily under their 'wings' or the extension of their MTOE and at the same time progressing and satisfy and comply with the requirements until KYM is ready to be approved. Since this is more on the 'commercial side' of the deal, it is up to KYM to offer and negotiate with this entity.

Surely the cake is big enough for everyone and from business point of view I see many opportunities for a win-win situation as each individual ATOs have their own unique market segments..

My 2 sens..

Thanks again for the reply..thats what i heard so with this kym..but the damage done...its really not accepted for what happened..
From my standpoint of view,what i see base on the requirement of experience,if the trainees enrolled for a 4 years claimed programme with the not yet approved aml course,the only way trainees could get their part66 lwtr by complying the required experience and attended an approved basic training course(which only provided by ATO) with all other requirement been satisfied. The scary part is what if that training provider itself is not yet approved or not yet satisfied the DCA by the time the trainees graduated(4 years period)...then there wil be an issue..up to dca wether wanna release or not??..of course they would be hold i guess...

What happened to the students?they wont obtain their license..they have again re-sit the paper(5 years lapse),and collecting another 3 years experience to comply with the 5 years-self starter requirement...,perhaps if they still interested with the license.This will loose time and a lot of money.We dont want to hear that after alot of effort & money spent,also as all the sweet talks and promises by the school,at the end the training were not approved/recognized. I just hope that some controls of this kind matter can be achieved due to so much places trying to do this course,to make money..but left the students without the expected outcomes..

Due to thus all "funny' thing can come out from such training school, even we wont expect what would happened in future ,like such training school that at first try to get the approval,but soon found out some other finance/source out problem...the programme was stopped, and with non-transparency to students,end up burden the students...the organization that wish to be ATO itself should be well planned and organized first i guess and should have some means of pre-audit(facilities,material,workshop,labs,finance,capabilities etc) carried out by the authority before the application made,so that only qualified one can start conducting it..,so problem with unsatisfied students, being cheated etc.. would not be the issue again ....

grease22,
The situation of KYM is now a concern up to the level of the CM. Steps are being taken to rectify and save the instructors,students and the school. I have no affiliation with KYM or the state of Malacca but I have the confidence that all of you will be 'saved' sooner than you think.
As much as you see the situation is 'hopeless' from your side, it is not so. You and the rest of the students will be briefed soon enough after the presentation to the management (and state)on the next course of actions to be done.
This forum and thread and your postings earlier was made known 'high up' and 'they' are concerned with the issues discussed here. I have given my views on the subject matter here and some level at KYM and some of the steps earlier expressed are being considered.
There are two choices for you here. Give up immediately and suffer 'minimal' losses and pursue your license elsewhere or preservere, have faith and continue on with KYM...

ORANG TUA..

They are looking for new training manager..? Can anyone apply? Will those without valid licence apply? Good pay ain’t it?? Share the vacancy link...may be a goon like me can try...hahaha

TORX...

Congrat ... superb idea..
At first I tot brainy and sane will never step in ADC.. I was very surprised this fella is very young guy and not all the rotten retired old man! I think this rookie doesn’t know how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

Thanks to TORX after read thru & understanding the AN. I think this solution work pretty well but I think bless from DCA would be the 1st sign of ADC survival...again I think it shouldn’t be a problem..
In fact from my point of view DCAM is a method where they can reduce workload and put it on the ATO’s shoulder.... and they only go for the glamour part by signing the licence..hahaha.. sorry to say... pity ATO do the work for them.. Yet ATO also cleaver playing with DCA... “tarik tali laa” .. Then come rule AML license application submission to DCA must come from ATO Part 147 ... there you go...
It seem sarcastic but I think this how EASA should be done as well.. Even though EU LAME is an approved people to stamp EASA trainee’s log book...yet who is going to say this trainee is ready to become an EASA LAME..? Which is – NONE.. their ATO only give so-called Basic Training Certificate “BTC” & they give you reduction in experience required to 2 yrs by believing the trainee should have sufficient knowledge in theory + practical by looking just on the trainee BTC + Log Book..That is why no institutions in EU is allow to conduct EASA syllabuses unless otherwise Approved by EASA..
So in simple words DCAM is an upgrade of EASA not a copycat like some those may thinks..
”EASA is good..But DCAM is better”.....any 1 disagree..?.. Just pls elaborate more on MODULE 11B..Still blur why this in the picture..

In KYM’s case...if I’m not mistaken they offered EASA courses at the beginning..It wasn’t wrong..Cause we’re outside EU.. Then they do DCAM....which also not wrong... they may conduct the course & apply for Part 147 or with TORX brilliant, simple..and effective idea...
TORX is also right NO FREE LUNCH nowadays unless they found a basis and benefit from each other.. “win win situation” for FREE DINNER, or $$$ notes....yet again I think when CM is involve (if it is true) for sure GLC (you know which) laa become victim... “Pee 1st then pay”...

Greese22

If you want to talk about AML’s requirements either read AN & UNDERSTAND it well or TORX may help you.. Don’t become like those ex-pilots & instructors who can read but don’t understand..Then you claimed they are fools & stupid..If you never done this...try this at home... look up to the sky., spit & see....
My wife is a lecture, when she read this forum...She was upset with students especially Malays’ attitude nowadays...no wonder Tun Dr Mahathir cried for you...You are not suppose just simply say those people as you like... they are our candle...without these people maybe you can’t even read & write... and I heard those ex-pilots are well experiences (from MFA ahh..?), without them too maybe some of those pilots outside will never knew how to fly.... again... like MATSUMO said ...whose to be blame...?

I think ...... no one... if there are demand then there will be “super market” and “hypermarket”... and no one will tell you, which is good nor bad, right or wrong... if all of “consumers” make a WISE choice of selection (don’t be ignorance in this hi-tech era..Google plssss..go and educate yourself)

Then what left is only good “mini market”...

[I’m smiling at myself] -----DCA is so good, in a way using this for 1st test to engineer wannabe, if you have the interest in becoming LAME then you should have the passion and wise in making decision. Don’t listen to those big mouth.. If not, this is what’ll happend..Proud to call yourself an engineer..but when things happen, you go beat around the bush and start pointing fingers to others..wutta a heck! Wake up boys! For the institutions this is the best part off all DCA stand ” Are you in Malaysia..? If yes..Follow my rule, if you not following me...bye bye...”... no need to x-plain laa... unless you only know how to read and don’t understand by the meaning of “mini market”...
So all in all...I just wanna say....

To CM Melaka

I salute you, b’coz you have a great vision and you proved it right. Melaka now not only having MFA..But you manage bring in the aviation engineering school. You know what should follow..? MRO Part 145...then you will see 73 or 320 start landing.. And maybe in the future will grow into airlines....

To KYM

If it’s true you want to produce QUALITY licence engineers..Then you are in the right path..So I’ve heard you have one qualified licence engineer in your hand now to help you with this course better start listen to him..Maybe he knows what to do and don’t listen from one who have nothing but just a cheap talk. Even though he is young engineer still... ask yourself...have you read AMM b4..? I bet he has!. TORX had shown the way... only fools repeat the same mistake. Malaysian aviators had laughed at you; don’t let the whole world do the same. With full transparency + support + awareness in aviation industries we hope see another “mini market” in southern country.

To TORX

You know what...you should voice up your solution long time ago..The students had long be a puppet producing money for KYM..kinda funny..How could you students enrol in a college which has foggy picture bout the course they offered? Hey Malay kiddo! Wake up!!!. You know what..I think I may have another solution... will post later...need you to argue with.

To the very young guy in KYM:

I think you are either one of this : Very good & they pay you very dam well to bring ADC name to the top or You are moron, outta mind, ignorance, underpaid and you don’t know actually you are with some cheap college which utilizes you to the maximum.
Nonetheless... I think you deserve a salute b’coz I see you as a survivor like a brave captain taking command of a sinking ship & hope you know where to head too and the way you patch all the holes hope will work fine..If ADC saved...the captain & the crew will be known worldwide man.. keep it up and pray to god dude..

To ADC students

If you reading this let your Survivor (that very young and ONLY QUALIFIED guy in your college) to save you guy fast b4 it is too late to regret & always be well-prepared, alert n stay positive.. Dollars & material you can earn but not these quality & we expecting these kind of engineers in our aviation industry..& don’t forget to put gods along your side & never leave prayers as it make you better gentleman in the future....

MY 1 cents...

People with 'own/political' agenda.. thats who!
Businessman who wants to make a 'quick buck' and asking a 'clown' to setup an engineering training school.. then again, this is 'bolehland'... boleh melingkup.

Main agenda & intention is good for everybody and hoping that our industry will grow and make known to the world...that "Malaysia Boleh" is not merely "Mat Jenin" anymore..

but sad... wrong skill advisor ...same goes to others CM good will..it would be better give "salam" and get advices from person with not only in the related industry but also in same skill...

ie: wanna establish an airline yet get an advices from a tool crib guy..

My wonder

'nuff said!