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Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby m732 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:13 am

All reports are from The Star dated 18/01/2011.

Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage
ABOUT 500 pilots earned their wings and aimed for the sky – only to see their dreams come crashing. The reality is that there are few openings and the job shortage has hit them hard.

Most of these pilots, who graduated from the eight flying schools in the country, have been without a job for between one and two years.

Other developments:

> While the schools produced between 300 and 400 pilots annually in the last five years, their total intake for a year can reach up to 800.

> The biggest airline operator – Malaysia Airlines — only takes in about 100 pilots or so and its priority is its own trainee pilots.

> The problem of surplus pilots will be further compounded when more join the group this year.

> Don’t be idle, take courses to keep flying skills intact, Department of Civil Aviation flight operations director Capt Datuk Yahaya Abdul Rahman tells fresh pilots.


-- Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:14 am --

Flying dreams a pie in the sky
PETALING JAYA: Up to 500 licensed junior pilots in Malaysia have not been able to take to the skies in the last two years. There are just not enough jobs for them.

The number of flying schools have quadrupled from two about three years ago to eight now, resulting in an oversupply of fresh pilots vying for the limited number of positions as airline trainee pilots.

While the schools produced between 300 and 400 pilots annually in the last five years, their total intake for a year can reach up to 800, given that the course takes between 18 months and two years.

They would graduate with 200 hours under their belt, enabling them to only fly small aircrafts below 5,700kg.

But this does not qualify them to fly for an airline, which would require at least 1,500 flight hours and further intensive type training and stringent tests. Only then would they qualify for an Airline Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL).

Last year, the country’s two major airlines – Malaysia Airlines Bhd and AirAsia – each hired only an average of 100 graduates each for their airline pilot training programme.

The Department of Civil Aviation’s (DCA) flight operations director Capt Datuk Yahaya Abdul Rahman said that about 70% of the 400 fresh graduate pilots would be employed by local airlines.

Capt Yahaya said that previously, most students were sponsored by airlines which would then recruit them upon graduation.

“These days, half of them are private students whose parents have paid for their course.”

He agreed that presently, the number of pilots graduating from flying schools was growing faster than the recruitments.

“From 2005 to 2009, a total of 1,513 locals and 110 foreigners graduated from the flying schools. The number has been increasing every year,” he said.

Back in the 1990s, Malaysia had only one flying school in Malacca, which produced 70 pilots annually.

Capt Yahaya, however, dispelled speculation that the oversupply was due to local airlines preferring to hire foreign pilots.

“Local airlines need to keep a small number of foreign captains with at least 15 to 20 years’ or 5,000 flying hours’ experience.

“Fresh pilots are usually taken in as co-pilots. They will later be upgraded to senior co-pilots and then captains when they have achieved the necessary flying hours.”

Given the rapid growth of the airline industry and continuous expansion of major local industry players, he believed that demand for pilots was on the rise.

He encouraged fresh pilots who are jobless to join DCA’s three-month instructor’s programme to keep their flying skills intact.



-- Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:15 am --

Sometimes, it’s a long wait in the wings
PETALING JAYA: The road to becoming a commercial airline pilot is tough, as any cadet pilot will tell you.

Yet, many of the unemployed pilots are confident of landing a job, even if it means waiting for more than a year.

Mohd Zakaria, 24, said his batch of 24 students enrolled in 2008 but only one got a job.

“The industry needs a lot of pilots and finding a job also has to do with the timing of the intake.

“If you graduate and just missed the job intake, you would probably have to wait a year or so before the next window opens.

“But we are confident the industry will continue to grow.

“The risk is there and the competition is stiff.

“That is why we have to shine and stand out from the rest,” he said.

He added that he wanted to become a commercial pilot and did not want to join a flying club.

A 22-year-old cadet pilot said he waited almost a year before landing an interview with a local airline company with no guarantee of a job.

“I had about 20 students in my batch who graduated a year ago but only two or three landed jobs.

“It’s a long process, from the interview to qualifying as a passenger airline pilot,” he said.

Pilot, radio deejay and TV personality Johan Farid Khairuddin, 30, said the misperception among young graduates was that they would land a job with an airline immediately after graduating from flying school.

“Some think that you must fly with a major airline to become a pilot.

“But there are other jobs out there, such as flying instructors or being part of a flying tour.

“Some young pilots have told me they are not employed because they want a major airline opportunity,” he said.

Johan Farid, who has been flying since 2004, said there was a shortage of captains in the industry but a surplus of fresh cadet pilots and flying schools.

A 29-year-old pilot expressed surprise over the high number of flying schools in the country.

“The supply now definitely outweighs the demand.

“It was easier to get jobs several years ago when there were not many graduates or schools,” he said.



-- Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:15 am --

Flying dreams a pie in the sky
PETALING JAYA: There must be controls and proper tests in place to ensure those taking pilot courses meet the stringent standards required by airlines, said Malaysia Airlines operations director Capt Azharuddin Osman.

“The aviation industry in Malaysia is small with only two major airlines. If not properly controlled we will have an over supply of ‘under-qualified’ pilots,” he said, adding that MAS currently had 1,400 pilots.

On average, MAS recruited 100 cadets into its full scholarship cadet programme every year. For every 16 that apply, only one gets in.

Capt Azharuddin said pilots had to clock in at least 4,000 hours to captain a narrow body aircraft like a Boeing 737, which could take between eight to 10 years before progressing to a widebody aircraft.

“With the right qualifications, their chances of being employed by an airline would be better,” he said.

AirAsia had about 120 recruits last year.

Firefly’s marketing and communications head Angelina Corrina Fernandez said the frequency of the intake for new pilots depended on their network expansion.

Malaysian Flying Academy Sdn Bhd’s Lt Col (Rtd) Frank Chong Keng Lay acknowledged there was an oversupply of fresh graduate pilots, but said the situation would improve.

“Demand for pilots come in a cycle. For example, there was a shortage in 1995 as the enrolment was low.

“Recently, the intake is higher but the demand from airlines has not been growing at the same pace.”
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby Maverick » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:18 pm

Newbies, Please Read.

This is good information for those who are planning to undergo the Pilot course privately.
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby klaviator » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:15 pm

i wonder why suddenly they make these articles one shot in one page. ppl around me in FA are talking about tis... they even have these articles pasted on notice board..
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby Dawson » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:35 pm

It would be an impact to those who want to take flying courses privately. well. just hope it would be sort of a motivation to push ourselves to do the best of the best then. to make ourselves stand out and to get hold of our dream. Hope is always there, guys! don't give up! (:
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby m732 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:04 pm

klaviator wrote:i wonder why suddenly they make these articles one shot in one page.


I think its quite clear that the number of private cadets enrolling into flying schools needs to be controlled. Otherwise we might end up seeing airlines taking advantage of this by offering low pays.

Those who are jobless for a while will just grab those chances without second thoughts. Imagine if Airline XYZ offers second officer positions on a narrow body airliner for RM3000 all in? I'm sure those jobless cadets will take up the offer and go "Why not, its better then nothing" (these are exact words that came out from a few people that I know being jobless for close to 2yrs).

Trust me this is what the outcome's going to be like if things persists.
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby torx » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:04 am

Control? Who's going to do that?
It an open market, if you got money, you enrol into any of the 8 flying schools.
Some blamed the DCA for approving so many schools but DCA doesn't look at the commercial side. As long as you satisfy the needs and requirements of the regulation, the approval is yours. Mind you some of these schools got good cable also.. belong to a Datuk etc..
It is the students that need to know the current market situation and demand.. even with the current excess I see some still very eager to join. As long as they know the risks and what they're getting themselves into.. :^^:
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby The Handsome Boy » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:17 am

this is really BAD news.... ::D:
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby kokokranc » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:55 am

cant blame the students. they are as blind as a bat when it comes to job market. fresh from SPM, most are still immature and follow their dreams blindly.

thats why i would like to stress and encourage people to get a degree first, no matter how bright the future of this job is (find an aviation related or any engineering degree). after graduating, good luck hunting for opportunities. it will come to you if it was meant for you, so dont worry.

at least while hunting, you are a productive citizen already, instead of laying around jobless looking for employment with only SPM on hand.

to DCA, please control the cancerous growth of undesirable flying schools. it's okay to have many flying clubs for general aviation, but to produce professioanl pilots, its an entirely different world.

its sad to see young potentials just dive in into the unknown. not a pleasant way to learn the hard truth of life.
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby Clement » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:24 am

kokokranc wrote:cant blame the students. they are as blind as a bat when it comes to job market. fresh from SPM, most are still immature and follow their dreams blindly.

thats why i would like to stress and encourage people to get a degree first, no matter how bright the future of this job is (find an aviation related or any engineering degree). after graduating, good luck hunting for opportunities. it will come to you if it was meant for you, so dont worry.

at least while hunting, you are a productive citizen already, instead of laying around jobless looking for employment with only SPM on hand.

to DCA, please control the cancerous growth of undesirable flying schools. it's okay to have many flying clubs for general aviation, but to produce professioanl pilots, its an entirely different world.

its sad to see young potentials just dive in into the unknown. not a pleasant way to learn the hard truth of life.


Yup..Bro, agree with you absolutely! Market scenario has changed drastically,
no more like the golden days whereby you are highly sought for after graduation.
You got to equip yourselves with the best weapons to negotiate when competitions
come damn tough.
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Re: Graduate pilots hit hard by job shortage

Postby uareadreamer1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:52 pm

finally You start to wake up!!!!
when I told you 3-4 months ago, you will all finish at TESCO, moderator baned me...because you are just a bunch of dreamers with no much in the brain...you can not even figure out this market by yourself when it screwed already all over the world.

now listen carefully my little dreamers, airlines have an excess of pilots for the next 5-10 years. They will start to offer these Pay to Fly scheme where you have to pay for your rating, pay for your hours, pay for your uniform,....( tell me it's impossible, i need a good laugh!!!!)

Pilots will never been paid, worth it? no...where will you get money? don't you need money for a living?

I am sure your daddy and mommy are not very happy about your situation. still you can go to TESCO!!! :p
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